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Listen to our recent Soul Sessions podcast episode with futurist, humanist, keynote speaker and bestselling author Gerd Leonhard. Dr. Rob and Gerd confront the immediacy of our global crossroads—where technology whispers promises of a utopia yet casts shadows of a potential dystopia.

With so much uncertainty and the rise of AI and the energy crises, what does the future hold? Joining Dr. Rob on Soul Sessions is renowned futurist, humanist, keynote speaker and bestselling author, Gerd Leonhard. They confront the immediacy of our global crossroads—where technology whispers promises of a utopia, yet casts shadows of a potential dystopia.

While exploring these complex dimensions, Gerd offers profound insights into our collective future—the dreams, the dangers, and the decisions that stand before us. Looking at the ethics of technological advancements with the urgent shift toward sustainability, Gerd and Dr. Rob urge humanity to envision a “Good Future.”

In this episode, we discuss:

  • Gerd’s philosophy on competent machines vs. conscious machines and its impact on our future;
  • The ethical conundrums posited by genetic engineering, such as cloning and human enhancement;
  • Strategies for global cooperation to tackle climate change and the energy transition;
  • The essential narrative shift towards a positive future, as coined by Kevin Kelly’s “protopia”, and the actionable steps to get there.

Check out Gerd Leonhard’s new short film, “The Good Future” at

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INTRO  00:00

Welcome to CreativeMind Soul Sessions with Debra Berndt Maldonado and Dr. Rob Maldonado, founders of CreativeMind. Explore personal growth with us through Jungian psychology, Eastern spirituality, and social neuroscience in a deep, but practical way. Let’s begin. 

Debra Maldonado  00:21 

Are you excited about the future? Are you starting to get nervous because of the news and maybe AI? Maybe all the storms that are happening all over the world? Maybe wars that are happening? You’re wondering, do we have a future? Does humanity have hope? This interview is going to be incredible. Dr. Rob interviewed Gerd Leonhard who is the author of Technology Vs Humanity: The coming clash between man and machine. He’s a futurist. He has an amazing insight to what problems we’re facing here as humanity and even a hope for a positive, amazing future and what could be possible. Definitely an interesting conversation. But before we begin with the interview, I do want to remind you if you’re watching us on YouTube, don’t forget to subscribe to our channel here by clicking the link in the corner. Or if you’re listening to us on one of the podcast services, don’t forget to subscribe to our podcast so you can hear every episode. It really helps us with getting more people to listen to the show. Without further ado, let’s get started with this incredible interview with Gerd Leonhard.

Robert Maldonado  01:38

We’re here with Gerd Leonhard. Welcome to the podcast.

Gerd Leonhard  01:45

Thanks for having me.

Robert Maldonado  01:47

Good to have you here. I have so many questions about the future. But I was hoping we could start with the present. Can you give us a sense of where we’re at as far as AI, genetics, energy? Where are we in our current space? This is February 2024.

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